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Post by joepescigrindcore on Oct 10, 2011 3:43:04 GMT -5
What's happened in the past year? We aren't "affected" by scion at all. Well I have some friends in LA, where a lot of Scion shows are. There are a lot of young kids in the scene that see the free show as the norm, and aren't willing to pay for a basement show at all. So its possible that the "next generation" of punks could become spoiled by this free show system. I have some more to say about this but I have to drive an hour to band practice... Also, Scions do come with a cassette option, I done googled it. This is/was already a problem here, nowt to do with free gigs already happening. Just a general shit head attitude from "punks" of all ages. "Oh I have no money to get it" but they have a constant supply of beer.
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Post by joepescigrindcore on Oct 10, 2011 3:50:30 GMT -5
I thought Abuse was awesome, Dirge upon further listening sounded really forced and forgettable. Haven't bothered listening to any new material, haven't listened to them at all whatsoever since I heard they were working with Scion anyway. I never once got to the end of abuse, first half was good, then it just got boring. Whereas Dirge is short, fast and has a cool production. Apparently they ended up going into the studio without a lot of the album written, due to a certain label I won't mention pushing them. I think in some aspects being on that label has helped them, as they do work hard in touring a lot. But then I'm really dissapointed when at the gigs the merch is charged at very "metal" prices. I paid £14 for the new lp at a gig here, and I only payed that as there friends and I wanted them to get the money rather than the label, I mean in the USA that would be over $20. However I know the "wholesale" prices that the label were giving them on the previous tour and it was more than I've paid for a shirt in years apart from Iron Maiden.
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Post by thelampincident on Oct 10, 2011 4:24:23 GMT -5
I bet in a country like Singapore with currency that translates so poorly against the American dollar, those guys probably do make their living off being in Wormrot. Part of me can't really blame them, but there's a lot more of me that thinks it sucks ass that's the way it has to be for a band from that part of the world to be able to tour as much as they do. Can't have your cake and eat it too in southeast Asia.
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Post by joepescigrindcore on Oct 10, 2011 4:59:02 GMT -5
I bet in a country like Singapore with currency that translates so poorly against the American dollar, those guys probably do make their living off being in Wormrot. Part of me can't really blame them, but there's a lot more of me that thinks it sucks ass that's the way it has to be for a band from that part of the world to be able to tour as much as they do. Can't have your cake and eat it too in southeast Asia. The way the label booked the first UK tour was a joke, I'm guessing they didn't make much from that, then they only made a few £ per shirt. When Insect Warfare toured here, another dreadfully booked tour, the label paid everything and all the "guarantees" went back to the label to pay off the flights/van etc etc. Not sure how WR works, can't really seeing them being that well off. I did hear they drive around Singapore in 4x4 Scions with Vinyl players in. Haha.
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Post by monollectif on Oct 10, 2011 10:39:54 GMT -5
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Post by 00100 on Oct 10, 2011 11:31:46 GMT -5
I bet in a country like Singapore with currency that translates so poorly against the American dollar It's at about 1.27 SGD to a greenback, so the exchange isn't that insane... from cursory googling it seems that the cost of living can be pretty high in Singapore. But if they are getting fed and having their costs taken care of and getting their flights fronted for, that puts them a step ahead of most bands regardless. I wonder if Earache got a taste of that Scion cash as well... Labels pushing bands around and corporate subsidies = DIY grind in the 21st century.
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Post by hipsterchainsaw on Oct 11, 2011 5:09:23 GMT -5
Labels pushing bands around and corporate subsidies = DIY grind in the 21st century. dude, only real DIY grindcore bands play a tour of dive bars booked by shitty booking agencies. none of you guys have a $300 guarantee for every show? edit: note on price of abuse album i purchased at the show, $12 split red/white abuse 12'', $10 for the cd version, $4 for a patch. and wormrot / i abhor cds available for trade! i can't hate either, i hear arif is super reasonable on pricing and draws awesome shit.
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Post by joepescigrindcore on Oct 11, 2011 8:32:04 GMT -5
Labels pushing bands around and corporate subsidies = DIY grind in the 21st century. dude, only real DIY grindcore bands play a tour of dive bars booked by shitty booking agencies. none of you guys have a $300 guarantee for every show? edit: note on price of abuse album i purchased at the show, $12 split red/white abuse 12'', $10 for the cd version, $4 for a patch. and wormrot / i abhor cds available for trade! i can't hate either, i hear arif is super reasonable on pricing and draws awesome shit. That's well cheap, that's what happens when you don't have to deal with rip off labels! I beieve abuse came out on TVG? That is half of what dirge cost! Arif is a nice dude, they all are actually and so is azean!
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Post by 00100 on Oct 11, 2011 9:48:51 GMT -5
Labels pushing bands around and corporate subsidies = DIY grind in the 21st century. dude, only real DIY grindcore bands play a tour of dive bars booked by shitty booking agencies. I can't tell if you are agreeing or disputing, the sarcasm is folding in on itself in this thread.
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Post by grinchx on Oct 11, 2011 11:09:58 GMT -5
those prices are not dope. i havent paid 10 dollars for a cd in like ten years and despise you gave me 2 patches for a dollar.
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Post by monollectif on Oct 11, 2011 22:27:58 GMT -5
8-10 bucks for a cd is ok IMO. (CD not CDRS)
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Post by thelampincident on Oct 11, 2011 22:51:09 GMT -5
$4 for a patch is fucking highway robbery unless it's an embroidered patch, in which case I'm glad you got a discount at Slayer's latest stadium concert.
$10 for a CD I can deal with but I've definitely seen better prices. You start going above that and you might as well be browsing the Relapse distro.
$12 for an LP seems pretty normal.
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Post by flesheater on Oct 23, 2011 1:07:06 GMT -5
i can't hate either, i hear arif is super reasonable on pricing and draws awesome shit. he gave me this one time when I saw them in Atlanta Attachments:
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Post by thelampincident on Jan 21, 2012 1:33:16 GMT -5
I can't think of a good place to put this picture, so it might as well go here:
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Post by conceptviolator on Jan 21, 2012 16:17:47 GMT -5
this is definitely where that goes.
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Post by geeheeb on Jan 27, 2012 16:11:51 GMT -5
Well, its getting repressed by TLAL.
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Post by thelampincident on Jan 27, 2012 20:47:33 GMT -5
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Post by pukeman on Jan 29, 2012 18:35:14 GMT -5
Earache haven't exactly been that much of a godsend to Wormrot truth be told. They're very restrictive on letting them do anything outside of Earache (ie splits, own pressings of shirts etc, even down to them not even knowing if they're "allowed" to re-issue their older pre-Earache material), not to mention that on their last US tour they were barely scraping by on most of their journey with some days having to use what little money they got from merch as gas money and sleeping on people's floors, anyone who could put them up.
As for the stupid notion that the Wormrot guys are relying on the band for a living, that's not the case at all. According to what he told me, Rasyid alone has to work at least 40-60 hours a week hauling ass as a furniture delivery driver, so it's not exactly like he's living the rock star life.
The impression I get is that as far as Earache are concerned Wormrot are an enterprise, a cash cow (for want of a better phrase), much like lots of their old bands that they'd sign, flog their commercial rights like a dead horse and then dump in a ditch as soon as they got "past it".
Besides, all you Americans bitching at having to pay "$12 split red/white abuse 12'', $10 for the cd version, $4 for a patch." - it's at least that and then some in Europe, not just Wormrot but most bands.
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Post by ryan on Jan 30, 2012 9:56:32 GMT -5
USA #1
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Post by grinchx on Jan 30, 2012 22:24:20 GMT -5
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