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Post by olegrinder on Oct 14, 2010 10:56:55 GMT -5
If anyone is interested in a 1974 Sound City 120r, let me know. Recently serviced. I just picked up that Enforcer and don't need 3 tube amps right now. Before you sell it, Ustat should do a triple bass rig show at the BFG house! And I'll ask Ryan about using the basement for pre-show noisecore jam... ;D
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Post by yeastydeath on Oct 14, 2010 11:29:25 GMT -5
If anyone is interested in a 1974 Sound City 120r, let me know. Recently serviced. I just picked up that Enforcer and don't need 3 tube amps right now. Before you sell it, Ustat should do a triple bass rig show at the BFG house! And I'll ask Ryan about using the basement for pre-show noisecore jam... ;D Haha, I'm down. This other guy I work with said he'd like to take a look sometime around Thanksgiving, so I might still have it for a bit. Though I don't have the proper pedal(s) to run 3 amps. Never played BFG before either.
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Post by olegrinder on Oct 14, 2010 19:56:13 GMT -5
You can use my Nobels Split 4, then you can plug into GRP's rig too!
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Post by monollectif on Oct 14, 2010 20:32:48 GMT -5
Yo Sean is it hard to find one of those nobels split 4?
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Post by olegrinder on Oct 15, 2010 10:45:05 GMT -5
I honestly don't know. I've only seen the one, and it was sitting in the case at the music shop I got it from for a long time. It probably wouldn't be too hard to make something very similiar - it's just a clean-signal boost with one input, four outputs, and a volume control.
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Post by yeastydeath on Oct 15, 2010 11:24:45 GMT -5
Haha, that'd be gnarly. So much sound going on.
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Post by swilliam on Oct 24, 2010 9:04:12 GMT -5
anybody on here know about buying a PA? we need to get one for practicing, but would like to be able to use it for shows if necessary. any recommendations about wattage or anything? I don't know shit about PAs except they're always broken or someone is looking for one for a show.
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Post by j-rad on Oct 25, 2010 1:26:16 GMT -5
I have both an 80w Peavey and a 300w Fender powered mixer. The Peavey works for practice, but doesn't really cut it for shows. The Fender has enough headroom for house shows for sure, the only band that it didn't quite cut it for was The Parish, but those dudes were loud as fuck! 300+ is probably ideal.
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Post by swilliam on Oct 25, 2010 5:06:15 GMT -5
thanks dude. i was thinking that I might squeak by with 200w, but i'll take this into consideration!
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Post by manticoreisthebastard on Oct 25, 2010 6:26:47 GMT -5
Don't forget there are two crucial specifications that contribute to volume (three, if you count amplifier class but that doesn't matter much when it comes to newer PAs). Wattage is very important but your speaker sensitivity has extremely dramatic effects on volume.
For example, take three setups into consideration: A) 100 W head hooked up to speakers with a sensitivity rating of 85dB B) 50 W head hooked up to speakers with a sensitivity rating of 88dB C) 25 W head hooked up to speakers with a sensitivity rating of 91dB
Believe it or not, all of these setups will have the same apparent volume to the human ear and will even only measure minor differences with a decibel meter. As a rule, for every additional 3dB sensitivity your speaker setup has, you will require half of the wattage to amplify the signal to the same volume. Modern PA speakers usually range from 90-99dB sensitivity rating. Headroom is important too though, more so from a clipping standpoint than actual volume. That is to say you don't want an amp you have to crank to 9 or 10 every time you use it, you'll lose clarity and add noise, as that is not the designed use of a PA in reality as compared to something like an old Marshall which is designed to obliterate it's own headroom so it will wail at full volume.
If Jared is talking about a Fender Passport 300, which is the only 300 watt PA Fender manufactures that I know of, then I'm pretty sure the speakers that come with it are in the low 90's for sensitivity as that was designed to be portable and lightweight, so the speaker choice was based upon that. Great small to medium venue PA. That thing has plenty of juice for a small to medium hall even, but it was packaged to be a portable 2 speaker setup for a smaller venue with plenty of headroom, so (to my knowledge) it has lighter speakers with a lower sensitivity. There are plenty of 300w amps in the world but if you're going out to buy a package setup, know what it's designed for.
@jared: When you are using your 80W Peavey are you still using the speakers from the Fender system? Just curious.
Just some things to consider, it could save you a few dollars. Good luck, the audio amplification industry is bogged down by tons of numbers and specs these days that mean too little or too much, they really need to develop a more honest system. Your best bet is to read reviews on the product or maybe post your considerations here and see what people have to say.
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Post by manticoreisthebastard on Oct 25, 2010 6:38:57 GMT -5
I honestly don't know. I've only seen the one, and it was sitting in the case at the music shop I got it from for a long time. It probably wouldn't be too hard to make something very similiar - it's just a clean-signal boost with one input, four outputs, and a volume control. I was actually just reading an amazing article the other day on chaining JFET boosters, it used a single input buffer and then multiple JFET outputs. Actually, here it is: www.muzique.com/lab/splitter.htmThe effect is nearly unlimited. He mentions adding individual mute switches to each output as well and it wouldn't be terribly difficult to add a volume pot to each one (or even a tone circuit, but I hate on passive EQ and active eq would almost definitely involve an op-amp and more circuitry). Eyeballing the circuit, the cost for a four-splitter would be about 20 bucks from RadioShack, since you can't buy individual resistors anymore, you'll end up with a bunch of leftover components. I can only dream of running into a wall of 30 low watt class A tube amps with a rad little (or more like big) 30 way splitter.
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Post by olegrinder on Oct 25, 2010 12:03:50 GMT -5
Eyeballing the circuit, the cost for a four-splitter would be about 20 bucks from RadioShack, since you can't buy individual resistors anymore, you'll end up with a bunch of leftover components. I can only dream of running into a wall of 30 low watt class A tube amps with a rad little (or more like big) 30 way splitter. I haven't opened up the Split 4, but I doubt it's very complicated. The circuit makes me wish I'd have tried making one first! A four way splitter with on/off switches would be cool. Mega splitter and A/B/C/D/W+ box? I can do four tube amps - two class A + two class AB (5+7/15+50+50 watts respectively), or three crushing solid state grind amps (300+140+120 watts), and both sound awesome. Thirty amps would be nuts. I'll never hit that dream either, cuz @ three or four of my amps are going to get sold this winter. Just don't have the room or the $$ to keep them all.
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Post by swilliam on Oct 25, 2010 13:19:45 GMT -5
Don't forget there are two crucial specifications that contribute to volume (three, if you count amplifier class but that doesn't matter much when it comes to newer PAs). Wattage is very important but your speaker sensitivity has extremely dramatic effects on volume. For example, take three setups into consideration: A) 100 W head hooked up to speakers with a sensitivity rating of 85dB B) 50 W head hooked up to speakers with a sensitivity rating of 88dB C) 25 W head hooked up to speakers with a sensitivity rating of 91dB Believe it or not, all of these setups will have the same apparent volume to the human ear and will even only measure minor differences with a decibel meter. As a rule, for every additional 3dB sensitivity your speaker setup has, you will require half of the wattage to amplify the signal to the same volume. Modern PA speakers usually range from 90-99dB sensitivity rating. Headroom is important too though, more so from a clipping standpoint than actual volume. That is to say you don't want an amp you have to crank to 9 or 10 every time you use it, you'll lose clarity and add noise, as that is not the designed use of a PA in reality as compared to something like an old Marshall which is designed to obliterate it's own headroom so it will wail at full volume. If Jared is talking about a Fender Passport 300, which is the only 300 watt PA Fender manufactures that I know of, then I'm pretty sure the speakers that come with it are in the low 90's for sensitivity as that was designed to be portable and lightweight, so the speaker choice was based upon that. Great small to medium venue PA. That thing has plenty of juice for a small to medium hall even, but it was packaged to be a portable 2 speaker setup for a smaller venue with plenty of headroom, so (to my knowledge) it has lighter speakers with a lower sensitivity. There are plenty of 300w amps in the world but if you're going out to buy a package setup, know what it's designed for. @jared: When you are using your 80W Peavey are you still using the speakers from the Fender system? Just curious. Just some things to consider, it could save you a few dollars. Good luck, the audio amplification industry is bogged down by tons of numbers and specs these days that mean too little or too much, they really need to develop a more honest system. Your best bet is to read reviews on the product or maybe post your considerations here and see what people have to say. goddamn, thanks so much dude!
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Post by j-rad on Oct 25, 2010 13:34:52 GMT -5
@jared: When you are using your 80W Peavey are you still using the speakers from the Fender system? Just curious. Actually, the 80w Peavey is going through the crappy stock 10" enclosures it came with. The Fender passport is going through some 1980's Peavey tower-style enclosures with 12"s and 3 tweeters on top. I couldn't find the db sensitivity rating on the cabs, unfortunately.
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Post by j-rad on Oct 25, 2010 13:37:06 GMT -5
On a side note, you should post pics of your PRS when you get done modding it, Cory!
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Post by manticoreisthebastard on Oct 27, 2010 5:20:24 GMT -5
Sensitivity ratings are usually in the manual on an obscure page in an absurdly small font. That's honest marketing right there. I can't find the original article I was looking for but this works: soundsdifferentblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/misleading-story-of-guitar-amp-rms-watt.html ; it does a pretty good job of describing what actually makes an amplifier loud or not as well as some details on how amplifier manufacturers completely make up figures to describe their amp, RMS power is pretty much a made up idea (it gets REALLY bad when it comes to car audio where there are no industry rules established). Trust your ears, not their numbers. I will definitely post some pictures when I'm done with my guitar. I'm almost finished painting but i'm still waiting on hardware, I'll be working on the electronics in the mean time. Soon!
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Post by kuchar on Oct 27, 2010 10:26:32 GMT -5
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Post by manticoreisthebastard on Oct 28, 2010 6:37:07 GMT -5
i am jealous. that amp is killer.
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Post by j-rad on Nov 16, 2010 15:36:12 GMT -5
My new Sterling (MusicMan's made in Indonesia) Stingray just came in the mail yesterday! This fucker is so goddamn heavy, I'm currently dreading long band practices.
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Post by absurdexposition on Nov 17, 2010 14:29:26 GMT -5
played a Gibson Les Paul Studio (worn brown) Monday night and goddamn I think I need that guitar.
I've never been a fan of Les Pauls but this thing sounded so heavy, was easy to play, and nice on the eyes. Pretty much everything I've always wanted in a guitar and thought I was just not setting my amps up to get a proper sound out of them with previous guitars I've owned. I plugged this into my amp and didn't adjust anything and it was perfect. Oh, paychecks, you don't come often enough and you are always too small.
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Post by yeastydeath on Nov 18, 2010 13:52:36 GMT -5
Thinking about finally putting some active pickups in my Peavey grind. Anyone familiar with EMG 35-CS?
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Post by olegrinder on Nov 18, 2010 17:16:14 GMT -5
Thinking about finally putting some active pickups in my Peavey grind. Anyone familiar with EMG 35-CS? Replace them with care, active bass pickups are tricky w/ fuzz pedals, esp the funky high end ones you like. For distorto bass, humbuckers destroy actives, IMO. Speaking of that, how is the Fuzz War???
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Post by yeastydeath on Nov 19, 2010 2:17:04 GMT -5
Really digging it, especially with the new Enforcer. But I'd just like a little more definition and high end; with how fast I'm playing it kind of seems like a blur.
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Post by olegrinder on Nov 19, 2010 10:50:32 GMT -5
Run two amps or bi-amp. The Sunn Enforcer w/ Fuzz War will give you all that massiveness, then run a cleaner amp, with maybe just a little overdrive or tube OD, and that definition and clicky high end will come back. If you bi-amp, run the fuzz on the low end section.
I still want to zip down to Rockford for a massive noisecore jam, or do one over in Appleton! Would your drummer be into it? Cuz i wannna make guitar sickness...
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Post by BigSeth on Nov 19, 2010 12:50:14 GMT -5
I bought a Peavey Nitrobass and It rules so fucking hard.
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