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Post by BigSeth on Nov 10, 2010 13:34:03 GMT -5
I totaly agree with justsayno.
Aren't we all in this for the music? Now if the music sucks I can see boycotting it. But just because a corperation put it out for FREE (Free being the main word here) doesnt mean we have to pull out are angry anti-corperation values. We are all hipicrits anyways. Think if getting this free cd is as bad as getting coffee at Starbucks or eating a hamburger at Mcdonalds (or any other interaction each one of you have with a corperation each day). I personly dont give a shit. Im going to hold off picking up the Sex Prisoner EP to get a copy of this thing... I hope it doesnt suck.
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Post by kuchar on Nov 10, 2010 13:38:22 GMT -5
I totaly agree with justsayno. Aren't we all in this for the music? Now if the music sucks I can see boycotting it. But just because a corperation put it out for FREE (Free being the main word here) doesnt mean we have to pull out are angry anti-corperation values. We are all hipicrits anyways. Think if getting this free cd is as bad as getting coffee at Starbucks or eating a hamburger at Mcdonalds (or any other interaction each one of you have with a corperation each day). I personly dont give a shit. Im going to hold off picking up the Sex Prisoner EP to get a copy of this thing... I hope it doesnt suck. so let's wait for another releases. we will see for how long it will be FREE ps. i don't have any cooperation with starbucks, mcdonalds and other shit like that and i'm not in the scene only for the music!
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Post by absurdexposition on Nov 10, 2010 13:54:35 GMT -5
With regards to "anti-Scion songs", etc: Times change, people change. Every body changes. No matter how much you think you'll be the same forever, you wont be. Ideals change to fit what suits you and the current situations in your life. You do what works for you because in the end you're all the matters.
Perhaps Scion payed for all of Magrudergrind's recordings and this was a good way for them to get a new album out?
Remember Chumbawamba?
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Post by thelampincident on Nov 10, 2010 13:54:54 GMT -5
Giant corporations pushing their coffee or burgers is completely different from them thinking they have any right to be a part of the hobby I hold dear and true. The subculture with values that should be prohibiting this kind of shit by principle! There is absolutely NO excuse for letting a car company invade a network that thrives on the encouragement of average people having the ability to release their own music without getting tangled in the legal web of lawyers and PUTTING A FUCKING CAR COMPANY'S LOGO ON YOUR FUCKING CD COVER. Avoiding giant companies in every day life is pretty much impossible but I can help it from getting mixed up with underground punk music (which by the way, normal people are NOT SUPPOSED TO LIKE EVER) and I will fight until the bitter end to make sure I have no involvement with any of this crap!
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Post by thelampincident on Nov 10, 2010 13:55:48 GMT -5
Perhaps Scion payed for all of Magrudergrind's recordings and this was a good way for them to get a new album out? That's not an excuse, and if you think so, then FUCK OFF!
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Post by haloofflies on Nov 10, 2010 14:16:50 GMT -5
taking SCION's money is fine. whatever. Toyota has tried similar (pre Scion) tactics before. the guerilla type campaign stuff is nothing really new, and ingratiating themselves to hardcore/grind/metal kids is just one new way to get into their/our lives. ex: TRAP THEM was paid $2000 to leave Scion shirts in venues 4 days in a row. no sign, nothing. they flew THOU to clevo and back for the Scion fest, etc they obviously have money to burn. so taking it is no skin off my back. maybe it can be put to good use. (Ex: THOU helping pay for Moloch to tour here, Chumbawamba's use of ad royalties towards the helping of political entities they support, etc)
so, if it was a 'sampler' or some shit, whatever. but a new release on ScionAudiVisual however? that sucks.
that sucks for the labels and the kids who have put their money behind MAGRUDERGRIND before, and would be willing to do so again. for people like us who would benefit greatly from having MAGRUDERGRIND in our label roster and could continue to release DIY (!) punk(!) hardcore(!) grindcore(!) because of it.
they better be ripping Toyota off huge.
(i imagine some statement will be arriving c/o Magrudergrind soon.)
and in other news: coming soon: PROTESTANT 'fuck you, i have a mortgage' CD (PhilippMorrisRecords)
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Post by thelampincident on Nov 10, 2010 14:37:42 GMT -5
After all is said and done, I'm glad I got my initial feelings of anger dumped into this thread.
Joe, if you ever print "FUCK CORPORATE GRIND" shirts, save a small for me.
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Post by kuchar on Nov 10, 2010 15:03:53 GMT -5
Times change, people change. Every body changes. No matter how much you think you'll be the same forever, you wont be. Ideals change to fit what suits you and the current situations in your life. then i'm glad to know persons involved in the scene for several years, with the same way of thinkin' about ideas of DIY etc. MGx is still a young band in my oppinion and i don't think that life forced them to changes... i can't imagine my band working with some label like scion, it's pleasure to work with my friends running a labels!!!! if this will ever change you can kick my ass!
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Post by swilliam on Nov 10, 2010 15:21:30 GMT -5
Times change, people change. Every body changes. No matter how much you think you'll be the same forever, you wont be. Ideals change to fit what suits you and the current situations in your life. then i'm glad to know persons involved in the scene for several years, with the same way of thinkin' about ideas of DIY etc. MGx is still a young band in my oppinion and i don't think that life forced them to changes... i can't imagine my band working with some label like scion, it's pleasure to work with my friends running a labels!!!! if this will ever change you can kick my ass! I like working with your band, too! especially as someone in another part of the planet that I share interests and beliefs with! don't be the next to do this Kuchar!
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Post by andreswade on Nov 10, 2010 15:47:55 GMT -5
you getting any of the 10"s?
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Post by swilliam on Nov 10, 2010 15:54:30 GMT -5
hahaha I'd be really surprised if the vinyl version is free!
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Post by ToLiveALie on Nov 10, 2010 15:59:26 GMT -5
you getting any of the 10"s? If Scion does trades
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Post by BigSeth on Nov 10, 2010 16:10:55 GMT -5
I totaly agree with justsayno. Aren't we all in this for the music? Now if the music sucks I can see boycotting it. But just because a corperation put it out for FREE (Free being the main word here) doesnt mean we have to pull out are angry anti-corperation values. We are all hipicrits anyways. Think if getting this free cd is as bad as getting coffee at Starbucks or eating a hamburger at Mcdonalds (or any other interaction each one of you have with a corperation each day). I personly dont give a shit. Im going to hold off picking up the Sex Prisoner EP to get a copy of this thing... I hope it doesnt suck. so let's wait for another releases. we will see for how long it will be FREE ps. i don't have any cooperation with starbucks, mcdonalds and other shit like that and i'm not in the scene only for the music! The word was FREE. Thats what I was talking about. If i had to pay for it, that would be a different situation. Also i wasn't attacking you. I was only making a general point. No one on here has totaly no contact with no form of the system. Im mainly in the scene for the music. I do like meeting like minded people. But alot of the pre set politics I find stupid and hypocritial. But every person has there opion.
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Post by kuchar on Nov 10, 2010 16:43:39 GMT -5
Also i wasn't attacking you. I was only making a general point. sure, i'm not taking anything as an attack. my english is weak so my response may looks like defense cheers!!
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Post by radderrobby on Nov 10, 2010 18:10:57 GMT -5
ok...so i think it's complete bullshit that magrudergrind would associate themselves with this garbage, buuuuut in the grand scheme of things i do highly doubt that any punx are actually going to be like "oh man scion is kinda cool now" just because they put out a grind record. if some dipshit ended up being influenced enough to buy a vehicle (a laughable concept in itself, punx can't afford new cars!) they were probably already a lost cause to begin so i wouldn't blame it on anything other than the ignorance of the individual themselves. people can't be THAT susceptible to hip advertising can they? hmmmm. i don't know what scion is thinking but fuck em they can pour all the money they want into hardcore/grind/etc, it probably won't amount to anything other than a surplus of magrudergrind cds in the used bin at your local shitty suburban cd store, who knows maybe some 13 year old will buy it and be like "hey this is way better than the christian ska punk i've been jamming on lately" and their life will be changed forever...haha. stupid example yeah i know but i'm just showing that there can be pros in a situation like this, people are so quick to jump down throats without stopping to think for a second. in the end does it really fucking matter? i mean, if you think it's stupid just don't support it, it's the best thing you can do. i don't think i'll be personally seeking this release out but if it gets handed to me for free, as the little promotion suggests, i'll listen to it. if it's actually a good release and not some overproduced bullshit then i could probably look past the scion factor, as long as i'm not paying for it.
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Post by andreswade on Nov 10, 2010 19:19:48 GMT -5
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Post by ryan on Nov 11, 2010 12:54:05 GMT -5
not sure if i'm supposed to know who the next band scion is doing this for is yet so i won't say but basically the way it works is scion gives the band $5000 to record an ep which they release for free for like 5 months i think and then the music and all the rights are given back to the band for them to do whatever they want with.
the scion car logo being right on the front of the art is what I have a problem with. if they want to dump money into a culture that will never reciprocate then let em but turning hc/grind/whatever into a car ad is lame. more exposure for good bands isn't something i have a problem with... if scion was charging for it or keeping the rights to the music then i'd have an issue with it but they're not so whatever.
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Post by haloofflies on Nov 12, 2010 10:30:17 GMT -5
scion gives the band $5000 to record an ep which they release for free for like 5 months i think and then the music and all the rights are given back to the band for them to do whatever they want with. /quote] umm, wow. that IS a lot of money...holy fuck. if only that logo wasnt there.... but 5 grand? we could record 6 lps for that.
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Post by BigSeth on Nov 12, 2010 11:09:45 GMT -5
not sure if i'm supposed to know who the next band scion is doing this for is yet so i won't say but basically the way it works is scion gives the band $5000 to record an ep which they release for free for like 5 months i think and then the music and all the rights are given back to the band for them to do whatever they want with. 5,000..... Some bands would blow that..... Literaly.
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Post by absurdexposition on Nov 12, 2010 11:22:03 GMT -5
if I had the opportunity to jump on this, I probably would, that money would go a very long way. I really don't see what Scion is thinking in terms of marketing or profiting. Who legitimately buys a Magrudergrind record and can afford a new car?
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Post by swilliam on Nov 12, 2010 12:31:34 GMT -5
if I had the opportunity to jump on this, I probably would, that money would go a very long way. I really don't see what Scion is thinking in terms of marketing or profiting. Who legitimately buys a Magrudergrind record and can afford a new car? their parents. cha-ching.
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Post by thrasheaderek on Nov 12, 2010 16:08:11 GMT -5
Scotty from Tankcrimes just posted on another forum that Scion will be paying for a free Brutal Truth flexi to be included in an upcoming issue of Decibel.
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Post by geeheeb on Nov 12, 2010 23:59:28 GMT -5
Who will be able to afford a new car in 5-20 years? Apple does this in educational settings at the elementary level, making computers very very cheap to middle income schools.
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Post by ryan on Nov 13, 2010 8:54:47 GMT -5
scion gives the band $5000 to record an ep which they release for free for like 5 months i think and then the music and all the rights are given back to the band for them to do whatever they want with. umm, wow. that IS a lot of money...holy fuck. if only that logo wasnt there.... but 5 grand? we could record 6 lps for that. ya the logo being front and center is lame, i talked to dave from primate (the band who's next after magrudergrind) and asked him about the stipulations on the artwork and he said they could do whatever they want and there hadn't been any mention of having to put the logo on the front. can't imagine that mg would have chosen to do that on their own but who knows. if we got the offer i'd do it as long as we didn't have to throw the logo on the front, spend a couple hundred on recording and pay bills / put out more records with the rest.
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Post by olegrinder on Nov 13, 2010 11:25:47 GMT -5
You guys are so damn cute sometimes, with your youthful rages and all. ;D
You will live to see your idols 'sell out'. It happens. When I was in my 20's I never thought I'd hear The Stooges, The Damned, Dead Kennedys, raw 60's punk, etc in commercials. But we do. I saw Earache release records through Columbia in the states for a go-round of releases. They play the Ramones at football stadiums. I was personally seriously bummed out when Scott Hull decided to sign Agoraphobic Nosebleed to Relapse. I got over it.
And years later, it's even a little funny to see how kneejerk reactions are. I don't know anyone from Magrudergrind, but I know they've released a slew of releases through a slew of labels, and have toured their asses off. And having turned down a deal with Relapse, etc., I personally am willing to give them all the slack they need - cuz no matter what you think is cool, Magrudergrind is going to do what's best for Magrudergrind.
Meaning, in detail, that if they put out a record (which has a great funny copyalike cover, Scion logo or not), with some car companies entertainment division, they're probably big boys and know what they're doing. There's enough history of band's getting hosed by big labels that I think some of the bands should have learned something by now, eh? And considering Magrudergrind can have their pick of labels to release their records, there was probably some very decent money* involved.
*money at a punk rock level, enough for equipment and-or a van. which bands seem to need from time to time.
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