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Post by geeheeb on Jan 12, 2011 12:50:52 GMT -5
Where is NAFTA now? eh?
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Post by monollectif on Jan 12, 2011 13:55:20 GMT -5
might do samething aswell Bullshit for us Canadians still. I loved their response: "Get the European version" Cause clearly we are not part of North America or whatever. BULLSHIT
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Post by 00100 on Jan 12, 2011 16:44:46 GMT -5
"hang out", "party" and "hook up" I'd give them a place to stay and food if they were playing here and needed it, cause that's what you do... It doesn't preclude any of the other sentiments expressed about Scion. I haven't heard the record, but if it's good, I'd definitely sidestep the advert and go for the Euro press, where actual labels with a modicum of integrity are involved.
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Post by geeheeb on Jan 12, 2011 17:12:09 GMT -5
It would give you a lot more legitimate venue to discuss this release than an internet forum for example.
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Post by 00100 on Jan 12, 2011 17:41:15 GMT -5
For sure, even trumping an email from someone they don't know from a hole in the ground...
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Post by olegrinder on Jan 12, 2011 18:52:47 GMT -5
might do samething aswell Bullshit for us Canadians still. I loved their response: "Get the European version" Cause clearly we are not part of North America or whatever. You no buy fancy Scion carz in Canada, you no get free grindcore! In corporate America, car drive you! To poorhouse! Tho I would send you or Nick my extra copy, cuz the deathcore drummer dood I was going to give it too ain't gettin' it. I want a good ole' fashion Canadian free CD throwdown on youtube tho. Winner gets free cd + shipping! Loser still has Canadian medical care!
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Post by stino on Jan 13, 2011 6:09:13 GMT -5
"hang out", "party" and "hook up" I'd give them a place to stay and food if they were playing here and needed it, cause that's what you do... It doesn't preclude any of the other sentiments expressed about Scion. I haven't heard the record, but if it's good, I'd definitely sidestep the advert and go for the Euro press, where actual labels with a modicum of integrity are involved. there's a difference between what you said and ranting about ideals, MG and Scion on a message board and acting like nothing happened and do like they're your best friends ever at the next occasion you get, like some would just sayin'
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Post by stino on Jan 13, 2011 6:11:29 GMT -5
they sure are dicks, we once played with them and that a-hole started flaming at us because we had eaten some of his well earned patatoes in the backstage, eventhough we were promised food by the promoter... about this magrudergrind thing: 1) I will buy the euro version, as I don't get free shit 2) yay, new magrudergrind tunes! 3) bummed about the scion thing, but honestly, before this I never heard about it and I wouldn't have cared a bunnypoop... They're still good guys and make decent music. Some people here are a bit twofaced though, as much as they're disgusted about the choice MG made to release this album they will also "hang out", "party" and "hook up" with them as soon as they're in town... not talking about William though, eventhough I don't know you in person, you seem legit as fook You sound so british in this post! Haha. FOOK! Maybe the guy from Crap Them was Irish and was having flashbacks to the great Potato famine? I think he's ginger, so might very well be haha
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Post by absurdexposition on Jan 13, 2011 14:13:50 GMT -5
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Post by thelampincident on Jan 13, 2011 14:46:01 GMT -5
A few good bands on that fest, but seriously, fuck Scion. In a perfect world nobody would go to this but unfortunately this will "sell out" in no time.
Really, is it worth it to let a car company into punk just so we can have another fest or a couple more records? I don't think so.
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Post by absurdexposition on Jan 13, 2011 15:01:35 GMT -5
I think part of it pertains to some of the discussion in the "how much is too much" thread about how a lot of punk/hardcore is still stuck in the 90s in terms of economic scale. no punks want to pay more than x amount for a record, x amount for a show, etc. the result is bands making less money on shows and record sales, and therefore less money to be a band. Scion is quickly filling this void and perhaps the results would be a little different if the punk mentality changed to fit modern times.
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Post by geeheeb on Jan 13, 2011 15:23:37 GMT -5
That is basically saying that DIY culture can't be sustainable financially, and needs a corporate crutch (the farthest thing from DIY in my mind) to work. People need to get with the times and understand $5 for a show isn't much, and predatory pricing from Scion kills.
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Post by absurdexposition on Jan 13, 2011 15:48:34 GMT -5
DIY culture can't be sustainable financially if everyone whines at show prices over $5.
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Post by geeheeb on Jan 13, 2011 16:13:05 GMT -5
Exactly! I look at it as a serious of complex relationships, but this (scion sponsorship even happening) is probably a result of people getting more into the material aspects of hardcore (double-gatefold gold vinyl with soiled depends in each record) rather than community because labels and bands want to compete and keep interest and people lack oh say...interest.
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Post by monollectif on Jan 13, 2011 16:26:44 GMT -5
5 $ for a show is nothing, the only way that could bother me is if all the bands playing are locals and the show is at a free venue.
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Post by absurdexposition on Jan 13, 2011 16:32:52 GMT -5
I'm not sure if the material aspect of hardcore has much to do with it. Anyone into that sort of stuff isn't overly involved with "DIY" in the first place. Trust fund kids, etc, etc. That's all like, Bridge 9 and Deathwish level hardcore. As far as I know there wasn't anything special about the Crusher 10" or CD.
In some senses a lot it boils down to the fact that you can only put on $5 shows and continue to lose money on them for so long before it becomes a problem. The more efforts that labels and promoters are putting into this (the more money they're losing) makes that sort of thing start to happen less often and the quality of things are often sacrificed, or not even attempted on in the first place simply due to cost. So many labels are around for a year or two before they're done and over with because the 7" is not a financially sound medium when it's sold for only $3-$4 (or even $5) and no one wants to spend the extra money on an LP (even if it's a cheap one) of a band they've never heard of. I think the culture of hardcore has some weird priorities that cause it to fall in on itself, instead of pushing it forward and garnering a better hardcore economy.
The problem is too many bands. Too many shows. Too many records. I'm guilty of contributing to it, as well.
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Post by trappedinside on Jan 13, 2011 17:04:07 GMT -5
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Post by absurdexposition on Jan 13, 2011 17:04:53 GMT -5
yeah. basically the reason i posted it here.
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Post by crimeisonmyside on Jan 13, 2011 21:17:23 GMT -5
This sounds like a 5,000$ recording. Is that why i think its garbage? In the future scions will be most usefull for hiding under during the war between humans and terminators... its a future fact.
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Post by geeheeb on Jan 13, 2011 23:39:40 GMT -5
Recording at Godcity probably costs a lot more than that.
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Post by stino on Jan 14, 2011 10:21:21 GMT -5
Justsayno makes a lot of sense!
But why all the fuzz about Scion all of a sudden? I mean, haven't brands like Red Bull, Monster, Jägermeister, Vans, ... invaded the punkscene since ages? And how many bands don't get endorsed by guitar/amp/... brands? It's nothing new, really.
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Post by olegrinder on Jan 14, 2011 10:35:30 GMT -5
This sounds like a 5,000$ recording. Is that why i think its garbage? In the future scions will be most usefull for hiding under during the war between humans and terminators... its a future fact. I'd agree with that. S/T sounded way more fugly + awesome than Crusher. Crusher got two plays. I still listen to S/T. And to use a movie reference again, it's like the gun shop scene in the og Dawn of the Dead; "the only fool who could miss with this gun is the sucker with enough money to buy it." For whatever $$ they got to record, they prob could have done their recording and three other friend's band's recordings. And ended up with a better record. (and FWIW, I love $5 house shows. It has always pissed me off that ppl can afford to drink all night + come to the show, but magically don't have a cent when collection time comes around. Many years ago, I gave buzzoven $40 for gas because my then ex-band cancelled out of playing a show with them. To get them the same # of miles, I'd prob have to go $140 today. $5 shows, even with $20 in gas money + a couple $ for fast food, is a bargain.)
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Post by 00100 on Jan 14, 2011 10:52:13 GMT -5
Red Bull, Monster, Jägermeister, Vans It's true, no less cheesy, but true. This Scion thing strikes me as something else though, at least as far as events like OEF that have sponsorship from Red Bull or whatever... this is not put together by someone for the love of music with financial support from companies helping to cover the costs, it's pure marketting. If they had a different demographic it wouldn't be happening. That said, I would go to the fest, of course. I want to see a bunch of those bands. But at the end of the day I walk away without anything with a scion logo on it and no real interest in any of their product. I don't have a record that should have been done by a label that would have benefitted from the release with a logo on the cover in hand to remind me that life is shit and everything is for sale. It's a rationalization that I also realize is open to ridicule, but we can go as far back as what you put in your tank to go on tour in the first place as well... somehow it still feels like there is a line between a momentary event and a lasting representation of your work and the community it supposedly comes from. To quote a friend, "I have no interest in revisiting the Born Against vs SOIA radio show type controversy," but there's still something here that still tickles whatever decaying gag reflex is left in this toilet bowl orbitting reality.
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Post by worsethanuseless on Jan 19, 2011 2:08:06 GMT -5
They didn't record at Godcity and it didn't cost $5K to record a 10 minute EP. If you think it did, that's a testament to Kevin's skills behind the board.
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Post by joepescigrindcore on Jan 19, 2011 10:18:18 GMT -5
Was funny to see scott hull on the mastering, guess he doesn't mind taking scions money, wonder what randall thinks!
Here's a quick interview with avi:
"Magrudergrind Don't Want to Tell Anyone What to 'Believe' or 'Consume'
1/18/2011 9:00AM by Matt Debenedictis
Grindcore and the more fertile subgenre power violence have always been rooted in a sociopolitical tradition, though it's easy to lose sight of that amid the sweat-drenched chaos of the blast beats. But there's much more to behold. In the case of Washington, D.C.'s Magrudergrind, the finger tends to stay pointed at the scene itself.
"There are a lot of rules expected to be followed," frontman Avi Kulawy told Noisecreep of the failings and missteps in the punk scene. "People's beliefs tend to come off quite fascist, because if you don't believe what everyone expects you to believe you're an outlier."
Some have given the trio a DIY scarlet letter for their latest EP, 'Crusher,' since it was free for a limited time thanks to the aid of Scion -- the car company that loves to give away free metal shows and festivals. Inundated with e-mails ranging from support, curiosity and cries of sell out, Kulawy believes one of the problems is that people misconstrue the entire message of the band.
"In our artwork, we do take a certain political/social stance on certain issues, but the three of us have totally different political ideologies, so were not a unanimous thinking group," he explained. "We're not out there to tell people what to believe in, what to consume or what to do. We're just expressing the way we feel and how we interpret the world."
Kulawy contends that his personal message has always been to follow no one's rules but your own. "In my lyrics, I write I explicitly that I choose to follow my own path. I'm an individual and I have an individual ideology.
"There is a common denominator between all of us," he continued. "When we record a record, all of us are very involved in all of the pieces. In the end, your getting a product that is really a piece of all of us. It's not just my perspective; it's what we agree on as a group."
Seemingly almost prepared for those who would misunderstand the band's choice to take money from a corporation -- in order to give away a high quality album -- the opening track 'Leech' lambast those who look down on their decision.
Kulawy screams near song's end, "Are these the ethics that we flaunt in the culture of DIY? No, we deny many opportunities yet complain to be marginalized."
"That song is really talking about the s--- that really turns me off being involved in this type of scene," said Kulaway, calling those ideals pure hypocrisy. "We don't live in a word that is straight black and white; there's so much grey area with everything. Seeing every issue in tunnel vision is a very ignorant way to look at the world.
"There's almost this immature kind of primitive thinking within a lot of the social circles of punk and hardcore," the frontman ventured. "They forget that there are external factors that play into a band touring or putting out a record or record label advertising. All these things have one common variable -- that's money."
Jokingly, he remarked that those who scream sell out should also throw away their shoes, toilet bowl and entire record collection so they can be unblemished in their ideals. "I'm sure there will be some critics that read this interview on a computer that was produced by some 'evil' corporation."
The first retort from those opposed to the band's decision claimed the trio must have gotten a large paycheck. Kulawy says there was none. There was just an album to giveaway, which the band stated from the get-go.
"That's not really our goal or agenda. We just want to play music we love and be able to travel. A very motivating factor to continue this band is being able to tour different countries, and meeting other people from other countries -- and meeting them as friends."
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