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Post by grinchx on Mar 11, 2013 12:06:37 GMT -5
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Post by thelampincident on Mar 11, 2013 12:10:24 GMT -5
Oh boy, more articles about punk music written by middle aged assholes who have no connection to what punk is today, fuck off nowadays old guy jackoff jocks
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Post by grinchx on Mar 11, 2013 12:15:07 GMT -5
oh boy another mikey b. post where he takes the time to write something off without requisite investigation. ps guy makes a couple of super convincing arguments mixed in with the disconnected stuff
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Post by thelampincident on Mar 11, 2013 12:18:04 GMT -5
I'm still reading the article, give me a few more minutes, I'm easily distracted dontcha know
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Post by thelampincident on Mar 11, 2013 12:37:34 GMT -5
And my synopsis after reading the article is that, well, I can't say I feel any connection to what this guy is talking about. I don't care about grunge, I don't care about today's indie music, and I don't care about what punk rock was when it started because I wasn't there. It seems to be an article that says nothing more than "young people are stupid" or "this musical genre like every other in existence, failed to live up to expectations after the first wave". In other news, a guy decided to take old news, tried and true opinions and turn them into total windsock articles designed to cater to impressionable people who like to live vicariously through others and are easily floored by large vocabulary.
I don't read zines for this reason, I don't seek out articles like this on my own for this reason, I don't even read blogs, because I have no problem admitting to myself or anyone else that the only opinions I care about on this planet are my own and those of people I trust, which at current count is not very many humans, and certainly not people writing articles of this sort.
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Post by Torch the Mall on Mar 11, 2013 12:47:49 GMT -5
Replied as "Dear_MRR"
I don't have an issue with posting from my facebook account but being at work...
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Post by ryan on Mar 11, 2013 13:39:04 GMT -5
HA! the fact that the guy that runs tooth and nail records would try and act like he knows anything at all about punk music is laughable. what a pretentious piece of shit.
"boohoo a lot of people didn't do anything with their lives because they thought being successful wasn't 'punk' so that makes it bullshit and a terrible thing."
DUMB.
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Post by flesheater on Mar 11, 2013 14:18:09 GMT -5
I'll read this one I get home, too much hassle on a phone. But I did just want to say that I've never spoken the phrase "punk rock" in a serious tone. "Punk rock" is what shirts at Wal Mart have embroidered on them.
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Post by manticoreisthebastard on Mar 11, 2013 17:23:36 GMT -5
This guy is clearly just using punk as a platform to launch his inane opinions about these or those social issues which are much more universal than the supposed target of this article. He really just shoots left field starting with: "Then Seattle got into the act."
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Post by yeastydeath on Mar 11, 2013 17:28:01 GMT -5
I always thought "punk rock" as a mantle was bullshit anyway; most people that use it as a rallying cry are talking about showboating shock rock antics anyway. Punk rock is largely bullshit. I want nothing to do with the fashion of studded jackets and mohawks. But saying legitimate punk, as a means of espousing radical politics and creating a social movement, is bullshit is just an excuse to be cynical and apathetic. And who the fuck pretends to like things to be ironic? Also, Courtney Love was never a Riot girl, and was critical of the movement, so that attempt to seem knowledgeable on the topic really just makes him seem out of touch. Annnnnnd he references Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome instead of The Road Warrior. COME ON MAN.
I couldn't even finish the article past then because it was one huge straw man argument.
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Post by grinchx on Mar 12, 2013 23:45:02 GMT -5
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Post by geeheeb on Mar 13, 2013 8:26:07 GMT -5
Post-colonial India, echos of European domination. Its not a surprise that a fashion boutique (what I see as some of the worst-of-the-worst as far as capitalism and materialism are concerned) would say that he was ignorant about what Hitler meant to the rest of the world, and that he had SPENT TOO MUCH MONEY ON BRANDING so he wouldn't change name. The Jewish population of his city is less than 500, which is 0.008975717% of the population of that town (according to wikipedia), which doesn't exert a lot of social or capital pressure on the guy to change. Just a few days later, he caved due to government pressure: www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-19481400PC dude in me wants to see him change it because he was losing money, or had some conscience about what the name of his business stands for...but no, the worst kind of pressure, authoritative coercion. tldr: capitalist dingdong uses shock to sell shirts. this happens in grindcore too doncha know...
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Post by BigSeth on Mar 13, 2013 10:07:43 GMT -5
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Post by thelampincident on Mar 13, 2013 10:18:23 GMT -5
Laughed my ass off at the fact that guy thought that was a good name for a store. Really hoping he realizes the profound ignorance that dwells within him when he says things like "If he did something in Germany, is that our concern?"
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Post by geeheeb on Mar 13, 2013 10:25:37 GMT -5
The funniest part of this is YOU STARTING A CLOTHING STORE.
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Post by BigSeth on Mar 13, 2013 10:38:49 GMT -5
Dude none of what I said was funny.
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Post by manticoreisthebastard on Mar 13, 2013 10:42:31 GMT -5
tldr: capitalist dingdong uses shock to sell shirts. this happens in grindcore too doncha know... Is this the point where people start hating on Rupture or other sweet bands who have also used NSDAP imagery? This is no big deal...if homeboy wants to eliminate a consumer base, feel free; if customers want to purchase his goods, so be it.
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Post by geeheeb on Mar 13, 2013 10:52:35 GMT -5
That is a great point, but one thing that is missing from that sentiment (and I think that this is critical) is that you have to face the SOCIAL CONSEQUENCES of that too. You covered economic consequences, but a lot of people who make that argument seem to leave out the social aspect of it; ie boycotting, speaking out against, being ostracized. These are social consequences, but many people (not you, not putting words in your mouth) cry CENSORSHIP when faced with shit like this as if there is a governing body that somehow codifies and outlaws this shit in punk.
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Post by thelampincident on Mar 13, 2013 11:01:35 GMT -5
I always imagined Seth starting up a nice little joint called Gowl Furniture.
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Post by grinchx on Mar 13, 2013 11:15:26 GMT -5
fuck man i would buy a bedroom suite from seth. seems trustworthy
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Post by geeheeb on Mar 13, 2013 11:19:20 GMT -5
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Post by manticoreisthebastard on Mar 13, 2013 11:21:14 GMT -5
I absolutely agree. The problem therein is when hierarchical structures do exist to allow for the sort of authoritative coercion you mentioned and that really gets fuzzy in modern culture where you can form a mob at the drop of a YouTube video. I've seen the punk scene handle things like this quite responsibly when bands do questionable things: disseminate information and deny participation. However, the pressure exerted by the Israeli government is the equivalent of seeking out those bands shows, which likely involves disengaged parties, and disrupting the event at the cost of not only the band but the venue and the other bands involved. In a nutshell, it's imperialism, at best.
This isn't a simple question though; the social strata is a difficult place to navigate.
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Post by thelampincident on Mar 13, 2013 11:28:49 GMT -5
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Post by BigSeth on Mar 13, 2013 11:38:03 GMT -5
Kevin you have alot of time on your hands at work dont you.
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Post by geeheeb on Mar 13, 2013 11:42:11 GMT -5
Not for long. I will be quitting on May 1st and going back to school full time to be a male nurse, or murse if you will.
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