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Post by Torch the Mall on Aug 14, 2009 21:35:42 GMT -5
I totally disagree with you on topic. Do you care to elaborate at all? I was looking for someone to disagree with me, not so that I could argue via the internet, but to give me a new perspective so I'll stop feeling dissatisfied. Are you still in CT dude? I'm back in NJ. I may come up for a weekend but we'll see. As far as the topic is concerned, I still think that grindcore is exciting (and flourishing the last couple of years) because of all of the newer active bands that have been able to write good, memorable songs. These bands all come from diverse sounds in grind (compare a band like Gridlink to a band like Goner). I think there is a fair balance between bands trying to replay the late 80s/early 90s and bands adding their own approach to these sounds. This is a really, really vague answer, but the only detail I can go into really involves looking at bands. Easy examples for me are Parlamentarisk Sodomi, Knelt Rote, Magnicide, Dianoga, Defeatist, Slaughter Strike, N.I.B.I.R.U., Worlds, Superbad, and plenty of other bands who have only been releasing music (or, in the case of Slaughter Strike, not even there yet!) for such a short while but sound like they have so much life in them. Additionally, the examples I listed all sound different! It's not a bunch of Terrorizer or Nasum sycophants like the few years before this (I am very happy for this). It also makes me feel like there is still plenty of room for development in this genre without slow parts, Earache clones, or falseness.
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Post by swilliam on Aug 14, 2009 23:55:40 GMT -5
Can you tell me more about Knelt Rote, Slaughter Strike, and Defeatist? I've heard none of these, but I trust your taste.
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Post by hummerofdoom on Aug 15, 2009 11:02:07 GMT -5
Frank Nibiru was wearing a Knelt Rote shirt last night, they must be good.
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Post by cereghini on Aug 15, 2009 11:18:21 GMT -5
Can you tell me more about Knelt Rote, Slaughter Strike, and Defeatist? I've heard none of these, but I trust your taste. Slaughter Strike is 3/4ths The Endless Blockade and 2 members from an old Toronto thrash band Rammer. They play old school death metal, saw them in Toronto back in June and they are really good. They have a myspace and a demo. Think a dirty mix of Nunslaughter, Darkthrone and 80's Thrash Metal? www.myspace.com/slaughterstrike(In fact you can see me in that live video.....)
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Post by thelampincident on Aug 15, 2009 11:33:08 GMT -5
Anything that's good gets bastardized. Look at what happened to hardcore. 80's hardcore was awesome. 90's hardcore was tolerable. Can't say there is too much left. The problem is that the word hardcore has been stolen by people who have nothing to do with it. B9/Deathwish bands play nu-core. Them calling their bands hardcore is like calling Cradle of Filth black metal, calling Korn death metal, or calling the Killers a hard rock band. It's just not true.
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Post by ToLiveALie on Aug 15, 2009 11:34:43 GMT -5
I think I saw Defeatest live and was stoked on them.
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Post by Torch the Mall on Aug 15, 2009 11:55:50 GMT -5
Can you tell me more about Knelt Rote, Slaughter Strike, and Defeatist? I've heard none of these, but I trust your taste. Slaughter Strike is 3/4ths The Endless Blockade and 2 members from an old Toronto thrash band Rammer. They play old school death metal, saw them in Toronto back in June and they are really good. They have a myspace and a demo. Think a dirty mix of Nunslaughter, Darkthrone and 80's Thrash Metal? www.myspace.com/slaughterstrike(In fact you can see me in that live video.....) This guy knows what's up. Out of the three bands, I think this will be the one you enjoy the most, Will. Knelt Rote has some guys from Skin Culture in it. They play longer songs and do a bit of noise in the middle (how avant-garde...) but I think From Without was one of the best records from the last few years. These guys are just great song writers and musicians. You can hear some of their stuff online here: www.kneltrote.com/ (Check out "Tacit Sleep," which was easily my favorite song from last year!) Defeatist has some guys who were involved with Revok, Anodyne, A Death Between Seasons, and Kalibas. It pretty much sounds likes an extension of Revok with high-pitched shreiking and straight-forward grind in not-so-straight-forward time and phrasing. You can find them on Myspace. www.myspace.com/defeatistgrind
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Post by swilliam on Aug 15, 2009 11:56:18 GMT -5
Found knelt rote's website, and it has 3 tracks that I checked out. pretty cool. I guess they have an LP, so I will try to find that somewhere.
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Post by yeastydeath on Aug 15, 2009 11:57:05 GMT -5
Regardless of whether they are a hard rock band, I love The Killers. Haha.
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Post by Torch the Mall on Aug 15, 2009 12:15:53 GMT -5
Anything that's good gets bastardized. Look at what happened to hardcore. 80's hardcore was awesome. 90's hardcore was tolerable. Can't say there is too much left. The problem is that the word hardcore has been stolen by people who have nothing to do with it. B9/Deathwish bands play nu-core. Them calling their bands hardcore is like calling Cradle of Filth black metal, calling Korn death metal, or calling the Killers a hard rock band. It's just not true. Calling Korn death metal and the Killers hard rock is not congruent to calling hardcore bands of a style that you do not like hardcore. I am not a fan of the B9 or Deathwish crowd, but how is what they are doing not analogous to developments inside the hardcore scene in the late 80s and early 90s? It's just like how Victory Records and Revelation Records used to be hardcore labels when they had more involvement with the youth crew sound. New York and Boston breeded a lot of horrible, horrible things for the hardcore scene, but they still bred hardcore bands, too. The sounds that those bands played were regional just the same way that Midwest or Southern Californian hardcore had its own sound. The DIY element has escaped some of these bands because they play to bigger crowds, but I think it's wrong to reject them as hardcore because we don't like their style. Back to powerviolence as an example, think of how many people hate that! Would you agree with someone saying that a band like Crossed Out isn't hardcore because it doesn't sound like Minor Threat? For the record, Cradle of Filth is a black metal band, just a really shitty one. Korn and the Killers don't count because those bands are mislabeled on a much larger scale. The nuances that make up sub-sub-genres are much more sensitive, which is how I think we ended up overclassifying everything in the first place (or why people on Metal Archives avoid including grindcore). However, these sub-sub-genres are still related to other sub-sub-genres as long as they branch out from the same area. In this case, youth crew, tough guy (I can't think of a less derisive term to use), powerviolence, fastcore (shit term), Japanese hardcore, first wave American hardcore, and everything else still branches out of hardcore because they all have enough similarities and roots between each other. The real confusing aspect comes with how this all came out of punk (really, how many times do you think to yourself about a hardcore band being punk, too?). I think the breaking point for classification is not well-defined enough for us to really separate B9 bands from hardcore. We just know that the breaking point is somewhere before Hawthorne Heights or shit like that, but shitty B9 bands are far away from that territory. As far as some of the guys I have talked to before who are in their 30s and 40s, they won't even consider anything after 1985 as hardcore and they won't reason with it, either! Overclassification is a bitch. I guess I could go on and on but I think I'm gonna start writing myself in circles, plus I need to go outside, plus who the Hell is going to read this anyway? Stream-of-thought, motherfucker!
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Post by yeastydeath on Aug 15, 2009 14:07:56 GMT -5
I read it, but way too much was said for me to care to respond to all of it.
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Post by BigSeth on Aug 15, 2009 14:18:08 GMT -5
Things will pick up again. everything goes thru cycles.
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Post by thelampincident on Aug 15, 2009 17:07:24 GMT -5
Hardcore is a subgenre of punk. Crossed Out has punk influence. B9/Deathwish bands do not, so they're not hardcore as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by ToLiveALie on Aug 15, 2009 18:54:51 GMT -5
Slipknot vs Slipknot... go
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Post by swilliam on Aug 15, 2009 19:47:38 GMT -5
same!
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Post by ToLiveALie on Aug 15, 2009 22:37:29 GMT -5
There was a hxc Slipknot!
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Post by haloofflies on Aug 16, 2009 0:05:11 GMT -5
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Post by yeastydeath on Aug 16, 2009 2:13:52 GMT -5
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Post by Torch the Mall on Aug 16, 2009 14:58:54 GMT -5
Hardcore is a subgenre of punk. Crossed Out has punk influence. B9/Deathwish bands do not, so they're not hardcore as far as I'm concerned. Fieldy from Korn has stated before that bands like Morbid Angel played an influence on the band. If anything, Korn was supposed to focus on the slower parts of Morbid Angel's songs. That influence doesn't make them death metal. As far as B9 bands go, as terrible as they are, I think saying bands like Ceremony and Paint It Black have no punk influence behind their sound is just undermining them for being as terrible as they are and for being on a label associated with a less desirable aspect of hardcore (for us).
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Post by yeastydeath on Aug 16, 2009 15:42:21 GMT -5
Yo Will, you heard Damage Digital? Pretty good Japanese grind band I found a wee bit ago.
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Post by thelampincident on Aug 16, 2009 15:54:24 GMT -5
no you know what, forget it
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Post by Torch the Mall on Aug 17, 2009 1:32:01 GMT -5
Sorry for me being a nuisance. I have problems not shutting up.
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Post by thelampincident on Aug 17, 2009 15:00:09 GMT -5
So do I, what I had originally written had gotten to the point of serious hostility and that's when I realized I was being a dumbass, haha.
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Post by swilliam on Aug 17, 2009 16:30:17 GMT -5
I had an LP of theirs in my distro for a while, never really got into them. It was pretty good though.
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Post by monollectif on Sept 28, 2009 0:17:23 GMT -5
check out Shatter It All
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