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Post by ryan on Dec 14, 2010 13:22:58 GMT -5
brutal truth had a bunch of these the other night so i snagged one, haven't listened to it yet though. So the question is, "Does releasing the same music you've always been playing on a totally bullshit label qualify as selling out?" i don't think taking advantage of some corporation wanting to throw money at your band is selling out considering the circumstances. if coca cola wants to give me $5000 to record and put out my music for free with no strings attached and i still have the rights to the music then why not? it's about time some hard working bands got a little help from people with more money than they know what to do with...ie: throwing it at a demographic which doesn't give a shit about them.
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Post by geeheeb on Dec 14, 2010 14:13:37 GMT -5
If coke wanted to give me $5000 to make an album, I would take all of it and send it to the families of slain latin american union organizers at their bottling plants there. Maybe write and self-record a few songs about it too...
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Post by thelampincident on Dec 14, 2010 14:19:22 GMT -5
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Post by thelampincident on Dec 14, 2010 14:22:21 GMT -5
Also, to me it defeats the purpose of DIY if you have some dickhole who doesn't care about the music or the community putting out your stuff. One of my favorite things about punk music is all the like-minded friends I've found through it. If we're just going to let corporations step in and replace the friend aspect of it with an empty void, why bother trying to make friends at all and just run everything like a business? I really do feel there's more to this life than money and work and I'd like for my creations to not feel like a job or an expense, but a passion. As for the inevitable "give it a few years" argument, we'll see.
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Post by joepescigrindcore on Dec 28, 2010 18:22:14 GMT -5
i find this a rather strange situation. a company(who i had no idea what it was until reading this thread, and after i got the 10")is giving away free music, and people complain about ethics of the scene. do i care? not at all, what have this company gained exactly? bad publisity from the scene there trying to "infaltrate"? surely not.
if people are super bothered, then you dont have to recieve a copy for nothing, but you cant have your half baked ideals about the "scene", get off your mac/windows pc, take off your "insert your child labour made clothes", melt all your vinyl back down to oil and give the earth its fuel back before we all run out, only have organic food blah blah blah. its all bullshit, even more so when it costs nothing.
oh and in regards to what will posted about j randall in metal sucks:
from a fucking label which releases vinyl which no one can buy, unless your in the band or work for them, and then let them be ebayed to death for horrible amounts of money. thats a stand up label right there, and one the scene should be proud of.
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Post by 00100 on Dec 29, 2010 13:26:09 GMT -5
It doesn't take much of an ideology to do a double take on this. Forget who it's for, any grind band putting out an ad for some company of this size is a strange phenomenon regardless or opinion "for" or "against" it. Really the only opinion that counts rests with the band being offered the deal. The rest is just reaction to it. If there was none it would be even stranger.
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Post by joepescigrindcore on Dec 29, 2010 16:33:46 GMT -5
Aye I get your point. But its not a big deal, free music is free music.
And for everyone who wants to buy it, its gonna be out in europe on RSR and Bones Brigade! New cover is pretty nice to!
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Post by thelampincident on Dec 29, 2010 16:36:07 GMT -5
I guess the thing I don't get is if the band was going to release it on a real label anyway, what was the point of letting Scion put it out?
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Post by ryan on Dec 29, 2010 17:01:03 GMT -5
I guess the thing I don't get is if the band was going to release it on a real label anyway, what was the point of letting Scion put it out? probably it being distributed for free. not many labels, especially of the diy variety, can afford to do that. or the fact that they got a bunch of money to record and probably only used a fraction of it for the record and the rest was theirs to keep
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Post by thrasheaderek on Dec 29, 2010 17:02:24 GMT -5
Massive amounts of free promotion.
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Post by thelampincident on Dec 29, 2010 17:37:17 GMT -5
Those are all pretty stupid reasons to me...
1) If someone isn't willing to shell out money for a record, they shouldn't be getting it because it doesn't mean enough to them. 2) Free promotion is bogus, it's always the worst bands and worst people who are trying to get their name out there while the best bands just do it because they have to. Not only do they not care about promotion really, they would rather NOT promote to keep fuckheads out of the music scene and have them stay wherever they belong. 3) I personally couldn't accept dirty money for recording like that (I feel bad enough accepting money from my parents on my birthday) but (and this applies to the other two points too) I'm not in Magrudergrind, so who am I to say anything about it, I guess.
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Post by thrasheaderek on Dec 29, 2010 18:00:54 GMT -5
1) If someone isn't willing to shell out money for a record, they shouldn't be getting it because it doesn't mean enough to them. This is stupid IMO. There are lots of CDs, records, and tapes that I've received free with orders that have turned me on to awesome bands.
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Post by ToLiveALie on Dec 29, 2010 18:13:00 GMT -5
Euro version on Bones Brigade
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Post by thelampincident on Dec 29, 2010 18:51:16 GMT -5
1) If someone isn't willing to shell out money for a record, they shouldn't be getting it because it doesn't mean enough to them. This is stupid IMO. There are lots of CDs, records, and tapes that I've received free with orders that have turned me on to awesome bands. I'm guessing all of these instances occurred on the personal level rather than mass distributing a product. "Hey, you may like this if I throw it in with your order based on what you're already buying" is different to me than "Hey, there's this band that just gave me a shitload of free CDs, I'm just going to arbitrarily give one to you because they're free and need to be passed out".
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Post by joe on Dec 30, 2010 9:53:04 GMT -5
i don't care what bands that i am not in do with their time, but it seems like a wasted opportunity. take scion's cash, gather all the dogs you know, let them party in a park, record dogs. give the recording to scion rep, look them in the eye and tell him/her this is the new sound of grindcore. worst case, you give the money back and diy release the record that was too punk for scion (which is literally better free promotion). best case, you get toyota to put out a record of dogs and buy you a van/release your friend's records etc. die laughing.
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Post by ryan on Dec 30, 2010 10:08:43 GMT -5
take scion's cash, gather all the dogs you know, let them party in a park, record dogs. give the recording to scion rep, look them in the eye and tell him/her this is the new sound of grindcore. worst case, you give the money back and diy release the record that was too punk for scion (which is literally better free promotion). best case, you get toyota to put out a record of dogs and buy you a van/release your friend's records etc. die laughing. this is probably the best idea i've ever heard
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Post by absurdexposition on Dec 30, 2010 19:48:28 GMT -5
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Post by thelampincident on Dec 30, 2010 20:37:51 GMT -5
He posted all these great points to what we can do to AVOID letting corporate sponsors play a part in the punk scene (charging higher ticket prices, bands not touring until they have good material out, etc.) and yet he still turns around and says "Yeah let's take all this money anyway"! What the fuck!
Oh, and lol at "needing to tour". I love the music just as much as anybody else in this forum and I'm sure that guy may be even more dedicated to it than me, but people need to WORK, if you consider touring to be your work then I say pretty much fuck you and fuck jobbers.
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Post by 00100 on Dec 31, 2010 10:13:57 GMT -5
No shit. Is this a green day interview or something?
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Post by haloofflies on Dec 31, 2010 13:23:46 GMT -5
1)ryan mckenney is a moron. his band sucks. are dicks. his opinion is worthless. 2)corporate sponsorship/donations are not fucking punk or diy or cool. stop making fucking excuses for yourselves and for your friends. dont be a 'rock band' and pretend to be 'punk'.
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Post by swilliam on Dec 31, 2010 15:07:21 GMT -5
1)ryan mckenney is a moron. his band sucks. are dicks. his opinion is worthless. 2)corporate sponsorship/donations are not fucking punk or diy or cool. stop making fucking excuses for yourselves and for your friends. dont be a 'rock band' and pretend to be 'punk'. trap them definitely sucks. entombed rips by way of screamo. I agree with every part of this!
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Post by stino on Jan 11, 2011 14:10:06 GMT -5
they sure are dicks, we once played with them and that a-hole started flaming at us because we had eaten some of his well earned patatoes in the backstage, eventhough we were promised food by the promoter... about this magrudergrind thing: 1) I will buy the euro version, as I don't get free shit 2) yay, new magrudergrind tunes! 3) bummed about the scion thing, but honestly, before this I never heard about it and I wouldn't have cared a bunnypoop... They're still good guys and make decent music. Some people here are a bit twofaced though, as much as they're disgusted about the choice MG made to release this album they will also "hang out", "party" and "hook up" with them as soon as they're in town... not talking about William though, eventhough I don't know you in person, you seem legit as fook
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Post by monollectif on Jan 11, 2011 14:27:45 GMT -5
1) I will buy the euro version, as I don't get free shit might do samething aswell
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Post by joepescigrindcore on Jan 12, 2011 4:27:46 GMT -5
they sure are dicks, we once played with them and that a-hole started flaming at us because we had eaten some of his well earned patatoes in the backstage, eventhough we were promised food by the promoter... about this magrudergrind thing: 1) I will buy the euro version, as I don't get free shit 2) yay, new magrudergrind tunes! 3) bummed about the scion thing, but honestly, before this I never heard about it and I wouldn't have cared a bunnypoop... They're still good guys and make decent music. Some people here are a bit twofaced though, as much as they're disgusted about the choice MG made to release this album they will also "hang out", "party" and "hook up" with them as soon as they're in town... not talking about William though, eventhough I don't know you in person, you seem legit as fook You sound so british in this post! Haha. FOOK! Maybe the guy from Crap Them was Irish and was having flashbacks to the great Potato famine? Cool to see nico and sandro giving it a euro release, hopefully people will support the release and both labels.
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Post by cereghini on Jan 12, 2011 11:26:03 GMT -5
1) I will buy the euro version, as I don't get free shit might do samething aswell Bullshit for us Canadians still. I loved their response: "Get the European version" Cause clearly we are not part of North America or whatever.
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